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1. Do you know if these factories are not ISO certified for fact? I can name few factories that are ISO certified.
I have specifically inquired about certifications on equipment and each one of the companies I could find and contact said that, in fact, their roasters had not been submitted to any safety or food and agriculture standards inspections. In two cases they admitted that their certifications were obtained in manufacturing prior to roaster production. The others refused to share any information.
2. In US we do not make Iphones, We have not made TVs in like 10 years. So as you put it, are u saying we can't build the Phones here in US because we do not make them here?
Not sure what that question means because I never said anything like that...didn't imply anything like that. So...skipping on to your next point...
3. Yes there have been many incidents in China where they have used products that are not food quality but do you know for fact make this kind of statement that the roaster are used none food quality metals?
Indeed, many incidents. I know of three major roaster manufacturers here in the states and, yes, they certify their equipment. You mentioned Probat - they, too, submit their equipment to very rigorous inspections. I am sure you will enjoy the roaster you purchase from them - best of luck.
4. How many Chinese roaster have you seen work? One? Two? Maybe none?
No question they work - at least in the beginning. Big question about safety and quality. There have only been two sold in North America that I can find so far and one of those buyers has expressed deep regret.
5. So you know for fact there is any incident some of the customers have been poisoned by Chinese made roasters? NOT
NOT indeed...because thankfully only two roasters have made it to this country and one of those is out of commission (see previous answer). The concern about metal fabrication and food safety came out of a conference on US/China trade and is a very valid point...which was an issue at that conference because of the leaded porcelain products that DID poison people here.
6. have you ever checked american factories are all ISO Certified or used Food quality metals or not poisoning your customers?
Yep...see the response to #3.
Making all these unsubstantiated claims or points only confuse other members.
Note the title said it was a professional "opinion" and my opinion is based on research and evaluation - it is not an unsubstantiated or uneducated opinion. You are welcome to disagree with me but you won't change my opinion.
There have been many cases some of the Chinese manufactures used faulty paint, metals and other none safe product to threaten our health but if you consider how many things are made by Chinese we have on our table, office and on our backs their products truly have changed our lives in major ways.
Cheap labor has, indeed, change our lives and no doubt the lives of many laborers in China. Politics and human rights issues aside, I do buy Chinese made products and, as I have said over and over, you get what you pay for. So, let me make that clear - after all of my research and based on first-hand experience and professional exchange with manufacturers, owners and even potential customers....you get what you pay for and, yes, there are some safety concerns that are unaddressed.
I am not a huge fan of Chinese or Turkish made product. I am going to order Probat roaster next year(saving up for them now) but making the faulty statements like above only make us look ignorant and irresponsible.
So even YOU don't want a Chinese-built roaster. Ignorant? Whatever dude. You didn't exactly help your own argument with that comment. You seem to be very informed on Chinese manufacturing and YOU are buying a PROBAT! Why are we even having this exchange?
Bottom line, I hope you do not use any Chinese made home appliances or product... From coffee makers to plastic containers or packaging items for you coffee or shoes you are wearing....
Sadly there are times when I don't have a choice because Chinese products are all that are available. Never did I intend to imply that each and every Chinese-made product is faulty. This post is about my investigation into coffee roasters - not shoes or iPhones or TVs.
I don't have a lab to test things myself, so I can only rely on standards and certifications that are out there and if manufacturers don't participate or comply then that raises some serious questions. And when a customer takes receipt of a brand new roaster and in less than a week they take it off-line because of safety concerns, then what would YOU think?
Bottom line, you get what you pay for. I will not use Chinese-built coffee equipment due to safety and standards issues at this time. That is not to say that they won't improve with time and that would certainly warrant re-evaluation. But for now, I recommend against them - buyer beware - at best you get what you pay for - and that is my opinion.
I have specifically inquired about certifications on equipment and each one of the companies I could find and contact said that, in fact, their roasters had not been submitted to any safety or food and agriculture standards inspections. In two cases they admitted that their certifications were obtained in manufacturing prior to roaster production. The others refused to share any information.
2. In US we do not make Iphones, We have not made TVs in like 10 years. So as you put it, are u saying we can't build the Phones here in US because we do not make them here?
Not sure what that question means because I never said anything like that...didn't imply anything like that. So...skipping on to your next point...
3. Yes there have been many incidents in China where they have used products that are not food quality but do you know for fact make this kind of statement that the roaster are used none food quality metals?
Indeed, many incidents. I know of three major roaster manufacturers here in the states and, yes, they certify their equipment. You mentioned Probat - they, too, submit their equipment to very rigorous inspections. I am sure you will enjoy the roaster you purchase from them - best of luck.
4. How many Chinese roaster have you seen work? One? Two? Maybe none?
No question they work - at least in the beginning. Big question about safety and quality. There have only been two sold in North America that I can find so far and one of those buyers has expressed deep regret.
5. So you know for fact there is any incident some of the customers have been poisoned by Chinese made roasters? NOT
NOT indeed...because thankfully only two roasters have made it to this country and one of those is out of commission (see previous answer). The concern about metal fabrication and food safety came out of a conference on US/China trade and is a very valid point...which was an issue at that conference because of the leaded porcelain products that DID poison people here.
6. have you ever checked american factories are all ISO Certified or used Food quality metals or not poisoning your customers?
Yep...see the response to #3.
Making all these unsubstantiated claims or points only confuse other members.
Note the title said it was a professional "opinion" and my opinion is based on research and evaluation - it is not an unsubstantiated or uneducated opinion. You are welcome to disagree with me but you won't change my opinion.
There have been many cases some of the Chinese manufactures used faulty paint, metals and other none safe product to threaten our health but if you consider how many things are made by Chinese we have on our table, office and on our backs their products truly have changed our lives in major ways.
Cheap labor has, indeed, change our lives and no doubt the lives of many laborers in China. Politics and human rights issues aside, I do buy Chinese made products and, as I have said over and over, you get what you pay for. So, let me make that clear - after all of my research and based on first-hand experience and professional exchange with manufacturers, owners and even potential customers....you get what you pay for and, yes, there are some safety concerns that are unaddressed.
I am not a huge fan of Chinese or Turkish made product. I am going to order Probat roaster next year(saving up for them now) but making the faulty statements like above only make us look ignorant and irresponsible.
So even YOU don't want a Chinese-built roaster. Ignorant? Whatever dude. You didn't exactly help your own argument with that comment. You seem to be very informed on Chinese manufacturing and YOU are buying a PROBAT! Why are we even having this exchange?
Bottom line, I hope you do not use any Chinese made home appliances or product... From coffee makers to plastic containers or packaging items for you coffee or shoes you are wearing....
Sadly there are times when I don't have a choice because Chinese products are all that are available. Never did I intend to imply that each and every Chinese-made product is faulty. This post is about my investigation into coffee roasters - not shoes or iPhones or TVs.
I don't have a lab to test things myself, so I can only rely on standards and certifications that are out there and if manufacturers don't participate or comply then that raises some serious questions. And when a customer takes receipt of a brand new roaster and in less than a week they take it off-line because of safety concerns, then what would YOU think?
Bottom line, you get what you pay for. I will not use Chinese-built coffee equipment due to safety and standards issues at this time. That is not to say that they won't improve with time and that would certainly warrant re-evaluation. But for now, I recommend against them - buyer beware - at best you get what you pay for - and that is my opinion.
